Started in early 200x sysadmining Linux boxes. Moved to an MS gold partner that started with 6 employees and ended up with 45 by the time I left. So you can imagine the kind of work and solutions we did, started with mom and pop, ended up doing email systems for a 20k user system, also picked up vmware/sphere, perl scripting a big monitoring system for over a year and hacking old binary only legacy software to extract data, lots of extremely varied short term projects.
Then got onto the "Solutions Architect" career path. Did that for 6 years ending up in a big telco. I ended up being bored out of my mind just doing designs/tech sales/delegating all the "real work".
I decided to go into Devops and switch to contracting at the same time. I now realise that was over 10 years ago now.
I couldn't be happier with my job since then. It's 100% remote, It's hands on troubleshooting when things go horribly wrong, it's solving hard problems with automation and in last 2 years lots of AI when the clients decide to rip out a huge amount of integration and switch clouds/other software and so on every 2 years :-)
It pays a little less and definitely has less prestige than "Solutions" for a huge telco (and I no longer wear a suit at work), but I can definitely see myself being happy doing that for next 10 years (if the role still exists then).
ikjasdlk2234 11 hours ago [-]
My path went from engineering-aligned (math) to engineering management back to engineering to product to program management to solutions engineering to account executive.
Honestly I had a negative connotation about sales for most of my career, but turns out I really love it. The exposure to different problems every day is awesome and more like a puzzle than work to me. I feel a bit of reverse imposter syndrome though, like I should feel bad that I didn't "make it" as a real engineer. So that's a weird feeling.
One thing I try to do in my company is pull engineers into sales calls and proofs-of-concepts if I can. I think that exposure to both real users and unique environments is important for their growth and novelty in the job.
robertcarter 2 hours ago [-]
Would you be willing to tell me more about your path to account executive and sales? I am considering such a path myself and it would be wonderful to talk with someone whose done this.
falloutx 10 hours ago [-]
Sales is amazing but if your companies sales people require engineering to build POCs a lot of the times or always have to sell some custom solutions, then it wastes a lot of resources and it usually indicates the company is losing product market fit.
ikjasdlk2234 10 hours ago [-]
That is true. My current work is in bespoke environments with mainly non-technical buyers who have been burned in the past. Our POCs are pretty minor lifts to build credibility and have worked extremely well.
If you're working in SaaS or commodity products and have to run POCs a lot, you're totally correct.
mjevans 2 hours ago [-]
Your company is selling the 'valet service' more than the products.
There are people willing to pay for convenience AND security at the same time (hire someone else to manage the problem, and they're the 'key').
grvdrm 9 hours ago [-]
I love hearing this.
My story: mostly business analytics (2005-2022), sales engineering, sales (both at same tech start up), and now running a solo consulting business.
I also really liked sales. Updating a CRM, not so much. But sales allowed me to spend my day talking with people about problems. No day the same, and lots of focus on finding different/better ways to communicate.
In what industries did these roles happen? Same industry/domain or have you changed that as well?
ikjasdlk2234 8 hours ago [-]
Domain is all government, but the tech is different across each of them.
I love talking too, part of why I think pre-sales is a lot of fun. And I actually love my CRM work from a data perspective, but my background is in synthesizing data and optimization. Once I turned my sales process into a network optimizing problem, it became extremely interesting to me and imperative to keep the data current.
grvdrm 7 hours ago [-]
Fair point. I too like the data side of CRM. So many interesting possibilities.
Did you always enjoy talking or did you discover it at some point prior to your current sales role?
esafak 11 hours ago [-]
Can you share one such puzzle?
marcyb5st 10 hours ago [-]
I am a solution engineer mostly on the traditional ML side of things but have good knowledge of K8S/GKE. The most fun I had last year was helping a customer serve their models at scale. They thought it was cost prohibitive (500k inferences/second and a hard requirement of 7ms at p99) and so they were basically serving from a cache which was lossy (the combinatorial explosion of features made it so that to have full coverage you needed exabytes of ram) and was stale prone. We focused on the serving first. After their data scientists trained a New pytorch model (small one, 50k parameters more or less) we compiled to onnx (as the model is small and CPU inference is actually faster), grafted the preprocessing layers to the model so that you never leave the ONNX C++ runtime (to avoid python), and deployed it to GKE. A 8 core node using AMD genoa cpus managed to get 25k/inferences per second. After a bit of fiddling with Numa affinity, GKE DNS replication, Triton LRU caches and few other things we managed to hit 30k inferences per second. If you scale up to the traffic it would cost them few thousands per month, which is less than their original cache approach.
Now they are working on continuous learning so that they can roll out new model (it is a very adversarial line of business and the models get stale in O(hours)). For that part I only helped them design the thing, no hands on. It was a super fun engagement TBH
Apofis 6 hours ago [-]
Are they paying you as well as your comment makes it sound? That was a ton of lingo and I'm used to lingo!
Hnrobert42 2 hours ago [-]
What in god's name is the meaning of the image on their homepage? It looks like a conceptual, digital rendering of a colonoscopy.
> Part of it was repetition. My days had become predictable: check the dashboards, respond to tickets, debug whatever broke overnight, push some Terraform, go home. Maintain the HashiCorp Vault clusters, manage the secrets pipelines, answer the same support questions. Repeat. The work that used to feel engaging had become routine.
This isn’t “DevOps”. This is “IT Support”.
But honestly, if you aren’t embedded into a team where developers and infrastructure folks are working together - you aren’t doing anything differently than old school operations people did 25 years ago
zingar 2 hours ago [-]
> answer the same support questions. Repeat.
This is not devops, this is someone managing yaml to allow an org to avoid doing devops.
Devops is practiced by everyone. If there are people asking the same questions over and over there is a feedback loop / education / automation problem and THAT is the part that makes a job devops.
alsetmusic 8 hours ago [-]
The part about interacting with people really resonates with me. I went from a support and repair position to a SWE role. It should have been great. But I burned out really quickly because the contributions I was making were going off into a void (from my perspective). I didn't see our customers engaging with what we built so I had almost zero job satisfaction.
I moved into another support role sort of by accident when I really wanted a sysadmin job but didn't have the years of experience needed to get through the door. I found out (again, by accident) that engaging with our customers directly gave me the feedback and sense of accomplishment that I was missing. I now know that it's an essential component for me. I'm much happier having figured that out.
meken 6 hours ago [-]
Can relate a lot. I started off as a SWE but am pursuing a support role for similar reasons.
solatic 2 hours ago [-]
> I started dreading the monotony of it all... My days had become predictable: check the dashboards, respond to tickets, debug whatever broke overnight, push some Terraform, go home. Maintain the HashiCorp Vault clusters, manage the secrets pipelines, answer the same support questions. Repeat. The work that used to feel engaging had become routine.
Why are you checking dashboards (pull/polling) instead of building alerting (push), so that you do not need to check dashboards as a matter of routine? If the tickets are dealing with the same problem again and again, why aren't you building a self-service platform to let your users handle these problems by themselves (especially now that LLMs are making this much more trivial to build)?
Author sounds like he had poor technical management who didn't understand DevOps (let alone DevSecOps) and turned it into an operations role.
Everything that the author likes about Solutions Engineering, I get from a DevOps role, from collaborating with other engineers in my company to make them more agile, productive, and take better ownership in production. Too many engineering teams fall into a trap of not being allowed to focus on any non-functional work (gotta ship revenue-generating features!) and LOVE it when someone like me comes along, who doesn't answer to Product, and can help them out on the non-functional side. I get to talk to "customers" as much as I want, in a role where I can just walk up to them and not need to communicate over Zoom or with significant plane travel.
Author should have considered trying to just find a different Platform Engineering role.
codezero 11 hours ago [-]
I really loathe that sales engineers stole the term Solutions Engineer which was previously used to basically mean support/services engineer (technical generalist), a mostly post-sales role. It's pedantic, but I watched it happen in real time, my company's HR even asked if we could change our team titles to help out the sales team since they wanted the more appealing title to use.
The reason it annoys me so much is that it makes it harder to find post-sales technical generalists as the top of the funnel ends up filled with pre-sales people.
Congrats to OP for finding something they like though!
cootsnuck 3 hours ago [-]
In my experience, it just entirely depends on the company. Different companies will use the same title and they can have wildly different mixtures of pre vs post sales involvement. My career has all been customer/client facing technical roles. Titles range from:
- support engineer
- solutions engineer
- sales engineer
- applied engineer
- forward deployed engineer
- solutions / sales architect
- field engineer
And that's leaving out titles that avoid calling someone an engineer who is still entirely technical, has to code, has to deploy, etc. but deals with clients.
I will say though that roles that want pre-sales focused engineers typically are pretty picky about people who have the sales-facing experience. So it shouldn't be too hard to avoid those roles if you're wanting a role focused almost entirely on post-sales.
(I say that, but I do know that if a company lacks pre-sales dedicated engs then other engs definitely can get roped into it. I know a guy with a PhD in ChemEng that basically is the director of research at his company and has had to wear a "sales eng" hat quite a bit in his role.)
bigtones 29 minutes ago [-]
Agreed - its total sales engineering as he described it.
raw_anon_1111 2 hours ago [-]
Top of the funnel should be pre-sales. Our sales folks are usually juggling eight or nine opportunities, trying to get contracts signed, in our case working with AWS to help get funding, flying to customers sites, etc.
I am post sales, billable staff consultant who leads projects. I’m “delivery”. I focus on one project at a time and dig deep into requirements and the implementation and/or strategy docs.
Melatonic 6 hours ago [-]
Use " Solutions architect " maybe instead ?
codezero 3 hours ago [-]
That title has long been used as a post sales analyst (custom work for $)
raw_anon_1111 2 hours ago [-]
At AWS at least, an SA is free for a client and ci e them advice - not allowed to give a customer code.
ProServe consultants (full time employees) are never called SAs
meken 6 hours ago [-]
> But for me, it was missing something I didn't know how to name until I found it: the chance to be technical and connected.
I genuinely throught this was impossible for a very long time. In my SWE roles I’ve mostly felt disconnected and isolated.
I resigned from my last dev job and started working in donut and coffee shops. I loved it.
I’m pursuing Support Engineer roles now hoping it will provide the human focus that was missing prior.
maxaw 10 hours ago [-]
Wow, I think I’d love this job. Nothing more interesting than learning about lots of different unique problems from different industries. And totally get the fear of losing technical edge
Word of warning: at some companies “solutions engineer” just means “demo monkey.” The sales people don’t really know how the product works or how to use it, so you are brought in to do the demo and answer questions and that’s about it (and you’re compensated much less well than the sales people).
axus 10 hours ago [-]
It's always nice when the customer wants to improve the process/product, it can overcome internal friction that had prevented making things better.
nunez 15 minutes ago [-]
I made the jump into SE (sales/solution engineering) three years ago after a long career as a SRE/systems/software engineer (the kind that found any excuse to break out ilspy, windbg, gdb and/or tcpdump on the job) and have a love-hate relationship with it.
This is a long post, but SEs are underrepresented here despite us being a big part of the sky high valuations that many companies on here have gotten, and it's a job that is still somehow not well known or understood.
I LOVE the travel. As someone whose happy place is seat 20F on a United 738 and a rental EV waiting on the other side, the random travel requests give me so much life. I enjoyed the 4 on, 3 off travel life as a consultant as well, but being asked to fly in for a meeting or two and get time to myself the day before is so much better. In fact, this is probably THE reason why I haven't gone back into the FTE world. Travel budgets for engineers are generally pithy.
I LOVE not having to answer to a Jira backlog. I can (and do) still ship PRs back to product if it makes sense for the customers I'm supporting, but my performance comp isn't tied to that. Interestingly enough, we are also not forced to use AI when coding for the same reason (though using it to understand what our customers are being increasingly asked to use is important, so I do sometimes).
Speaking of comp, I LOVE how transparent our comp packages are. The base salary is usually competitive with a high Senior/low Staff SWE, but unlike these roles, we don't get very many RSUs. What we do get is commission. The more we sell, the more we make. No black box bonus pool allocation nonsense. Some SEs can take in Staff+ total comp some years if they and their AE close a whale of a deal because of this. What's better about comp as an SE is that it's usually not regional. This makes the position super lucrative for engineers in LCOL/MCOL cities who don't mind getting on a plane every so often.
We also get a lot of time and space to tinker with the products we're selling when we're not out in the field (since we usually have to know them front to back; it's not uncommon for SEs to know more about a product than engineering or even Product). Most good SE managers will absolutely support you blocking off time to build, which is awesome!
Interviews are also WAY more than chill than those for SWE. No LC grinds. The hardest part is usually the tech panel (which is easy if you're good at presenting and explaining technical things in an accessible way).
So now onto the not so fun parts.
You are usually tied to a non-technical account executive (salesperson). The nature of that role attracts lots of...interesting people. Your entire existence as an SE hinges on how well you get along with your AE. A great relationship makes SE the best job in the world. Anything else makes it somewhere between a slog and hell on earth.
This is also a sales job at the end of the day. There's lots of talking and socializing involved. Not nearly as much as an AE, but doing happy hours and dinners sometimes comes with the job. As a massive introvert who often wants nothing more than to read Hacker News over a nice beer in sweet solitude at the end of an intense workday, you can probably imagine how draining these events can be.
Then there are the demos and POCs: the bread and butter of the role. Depending on where you are, you might be giving the same demo handfuls of times per day. These can be made more fun by working in investigative questions about the customer you're presenting to to learn more about them and why they need what you're selling (also called "discovery"), but some AEs won't give you that space. Feeling like your job is replaceable isn't great (even though it's not replaceable at all!)
There also isn't much upward mobility in this vertical. You can go a lot of places OUTSIDE the SE track given the cross-cutting nature of the job (Product, CTO, AE, and even back into engineering are common paths), but scope as an SE is narrower than the SWE path, as, again, its a sales job. (That said, getting into the Principal SE track usually involves talking at big shows and brand building like writing books, skills that are very useful if you want a heavy hitting job elsewhere or want to be the kind of person that gets paid to keynote conferences).
Many of the thought leaders in the SE space are technical but have lost their edge. Many of them are closer to sales than engineering. Some literally sell their presales methodologies and don't do technical stuff anymore. Great if you want to move away from that career; less so if you don't. More engineering-biased people might feel out of place initially.
Skill atrophy is also very real, counter to OPs observations. You can get away with minimal learning once you know what you're doing and have your demos locked in. It takes a while to get to this point, but once you're there, you can give a demo point blank a any time and are familiar enough with your product to lead a POC start to finish without blinking. This combined with not having time to "deep" learn due to meetings, demos and POCs can lead to skills slipping away.
Finally, that time to tinker can be hard to get if you're in a patch of heavy sales activity. This is felt the hardest when you join a new org and are sent into the field straightaway. This is often why so many SEs are usually former consultants of that product or ex-customers: shorter ramp-up time.
All in all, it's a
nickjj 10 hours ago [-]
I'd still classify what they're doing as DevOps type of work. It just happens to be a wider spectrum of things vs their usual "write YAML" in that 1 role. Sounds like the original poster found a more enjoyable role with the same title?
I do a ton of different things every day and have been for the last ~10 years, all in the neighborhood of DevOps'ish type of tasks. I've written about 120+ of those tasks at https://nickjanetakis.com/blog/120-skills-i-use-in-an-sre-pl.... I do agree, it is fun to mix it up in your day to day (IMO).
antonvs 6 hours ago [-]
> I'd still classify what they're doing as DevOps type of work.
This is very, very wrong. Why do you think that?
jeron 3 hours ago [-]
devops means a lot of different things to different people
raw_anon_1111 2 hours ago [-]
If you are a “DevOps engineer” - how is what you are doing any different from operations folk 25 years ago if you aren’t working with developers and embedded into their teams?
bobanrocky 8 hours ago [-]
Nope. Devops != any sort of pre-sales/post-sales/solution engineering.
It requires a more holistic, generalist view, and a degree of customer understanding, empathy, management and conversational skills well beyond typical devops.
lateral_cloud 10 hours ago [-]
Best job in the world.
bigtones 28 minutes ago [-]
Yes... and also it pays pretty damn well if your company sales team is winning. Incentives are aligned.
jameshush 5 hours ago [-]
1000%. When the sale doesn't go through, it's the salesperson's fault. When the product doesn't work, it's the "real" engineer's fault. When everything works, the client gives you a high five.
If you don't know the answer, you can ask one of the "real" engineers.
As long as you show up with a smile on your face and the demo kinda works during the call, you're 10/10.
At FAANG companies, you generally get paid at a level above your technical role; for example, if you have a mid-level engineer's coding ability but can also talk to customers, you'll generally be paid a senior engineer's salary.
Some days, I don't understand why everyone doesn't want this job. But then I'll talk to the product engineers on my team, and they'll thank me for talking to the customers so they can focus on coding. I think it's really a personality/preference thing.
cootsnuck 3 hours ago [-]
Yup, it is. It's my bread and butter too. So much so I decided to just do it for myself and start my own consulting company.
Being a solutions engineer at the right companies means you get to be one of the few people with full end-to-end visibility of the entire lifecycle of both a client and the technology adoption, deployment, optimization, maintenance, etc. process. And you'll get to see it dozens or hundreds of times for a variety of clients across industries. Again though, totally depends on the company.
pisipisipisi 10 hours ago [-]
My experience in a “product company” - Pre-sales solutions engineer - the original problem solver. Professional services - post-sales firefighter :)
korijn 10 hours ago [-]
Inspiring article. Well written. Totally feeling it!
NoSalt 10 hours ago [-]
I am a software developer. I went to college to learn software development. Two years ago, they tried to tack DevOps on to my job description. I told them "no thanks", then had to find another job. I found one and am MUCH happier not having to do that DevOps crap. No offense, but it a soul-draining undertaking, and I like writing code ... ONLY!
jpollock 8 hours ago [-]
I have a different opinion. :) DevOps is great feedback to the engineering team.
Too many alarms or alarms at unsocial hours? The engineering team should feel that pain.
Too hard to push? The engineering team should feel that pain.
Strange hard to diagnose alarms? Yep, the engineering team should feel that pain!
The feedback is very important to keeping the opex costs under control.
However, I think the author and I have different opinions on what DevOps is. DevOps isn't a full time role. It's what the engineer does to get their software into production.
bobanrocky 8 hours ago [-]
The only folks who like devops are those that haven’t touched anything else, or are scared to move out of that molehill. Try it once .. is my advice
jpollock 7 hours ago [-]
I think there are different definitions of DevOps.
I see a difference between a more definite operations team (SRE) vs an engineering team having responsibility for how their service works in production (DevOps).
DevOps is something that all teams should be doing - there's no point in writing code that spends it's life generating problems for customers or other teams, and having the problems arrive at the owners results in them being properly prioritized.
In smaller orgs, DevOps and SRE might be together, but it should still be a rotation instead of a fulltime role, and everyone should be doing it.
Engineers who don't do devops write code that looks like:
if (should_never_happen) {
log.error("owner=wombat@example.com it happened again");
}
Where the one who does do devops writes code that avoids the error condition entirely (usually possible), or decides what the code should do in that situation (not log).
esseph 7 hours ago [-]
> The only folks who like devops are those that haven’t touched anything else, or are scared to move out of that molehill.
IDK I've been called everything from: SysOp, SysAdmin, Network Engineer, Systems Architect, Solutions Engineer, Sales Engineer, Platform Engineer, etc. Half of those at different companies are just "DevOps" depending on the org.
antonvs 6 hours ago [-]
This sounds very adversarial to me. I’m glad our devops team doesn’t think like you.
jpollock 6 hours ago [-]
In my career, DevOps was never a separate organization. It was a role assumed by the code owners. SRE (is it up, is the hardware working, is the network working?) was separate, and had different metrics.
Having separate teams makes it adversarial because both orgs end up reporting into separate hierarchies with independent goals.
Think about the metrics each team is measured on. Who resolves conflicts between them? How high up the org chart is it necessary to go to resolve the conflict? Can one team make different tradeoffs on code quality vs speed from another, or is it company-wide?
raw_anon_1111 2 hours ago [-]
If you have a “DevOps team” - they are operations and you aren’t getting any of the benefits of a DevOps mindset
antonvs 2 hours ago [-]
Meh, real life is a bit more complicated than a manifesto.
raw_anon_1111 2 hours ago [-]
It’s not about just a manifesto, at the startup I worked for before getting into consulting 6 years ago - cloud + app dev - it was much more affective for the team who did the work, to create their own IAC based on a standard.
What’s the difference between a “DevOps team” in 2026 than “operations” in 2001?
raw_anon_1111 2 hours ago [-]
I am first and foremost still a software developer as far as my hands on keyboard job. I absolutely love being able to set up my own infrastructure without depending on glorified system administrators who call themselves “DevOps Engineers”. It’s all just code at the end of the day - setting up infrastructure involves writing yaml, HCL or actual code (CDk).
5 hours ago [-]
booleandilemma 5 hours ago [-]
Same thing happened to me at a company several years ago. It felt like they wanted me in two roles but were only paying me for one. Didn't take long for me to jump ship after that.
Joel_Mckay 8 hours ago [-]
DevOps is secretly spiral development.
Great if billing by the hour, and mostly unsustainable for products =3
Started in early 200x sysadmining Linux boxes. Moved to an MS gold partner that started with 6 employees and ended up with 45 by the time I left. So you can imagine the kind of work and solutions we did, started with mom and pop, ended up doing email systems for a 20k user system, also picked up vmware/sphere, perl scripting a big monitoring system for over a year and hacking old binary only legacy software to extract data, lots of extremely varied short term projects.
Then got onto the "Solutions Architect" career path. Did that for 6 years ending up in a big telco. I ended up being bored out of my mind just doing designs/tech sales/delegating all the "real work".
I decided to go into Devops and switch to contracting at the same time. I now realise that was over 10 years ago now.
I couldn't be happier with my job since then. It's 100% remote, It's hands on troubleshooting when things go horribly wrong, it's solving hard problems with automation and in last 2 years lots of AI when the clients decide to rip out a huge amount of integration and switch clouds/other software and so on every 2 years :-)
It pays a little less and definitely has less prestige than "Solutions" for a huge telco (and I no longer wear a suit at work), but I can definitely see myself being happy doing that for next 10 years (if the role still exists then).
Honestly I had a negative connotation about sales for most of my career, but turns out I really love it. The exposure to different problems every day is awesome and more like a puzzle than work to me. I feel a bit of reverse imposter syndrome though, like I should feel bad that I didn't "make it" as a real engineer. So that's a weird feeling.
One thing I try to do in my company is pull engineers into sales calls and proofs-of-concepts if I can. I think that exposure to both real users and unique environments is important for their growth and novelty in the job.
If you're working in SaaS or commodity products and have to run POCs a lot, you're totally correct.
There are people willing to pay for convenience AND security at the same time (hire someone else to manage the problem, and they're the 'key').
My story: mostly business analytics (2005-2022), sales engineering, sales (both at same tech start up), and now running a solo consulting business.
I also really liked sales. Updating a CRM, not so much. But sales allowed me to spend my day talking with people about problems. No day the same, and lots of focus on finding different/better ways to communicate.
In what industries did these roles happen? Same industry/domain or have you changed that as well?
I love talking too, part of why I think pre-sales is a lot of fun. And I actually love my CRM work from a data perspective, but my background is in synthesizing data and optimization. Once I turned my sales process into a network optimizing problem, it became extremely interesting to me and imperative to keep the data current.
Did you always enjoy talking or did you discover it at some point prior to your current sales role?
Now they are working on continuous learning so that they can roll out new model (it is a very adversarial line of business and the models get stale in O(hours)). For that part I only helped them design the thing, no hands on. It was a super fun engagement TBH
https://infisical.com/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fimages.c...
This isn’t “DevOps”. This is “IT Support”.
But honestly, if you aren’t embedded into a team where developers and infrastructure folks are working together - you aren’t doing anything differently than old school operations people did 25 years ago
This is not devops, this is someone managing yaml to allow an org to avoid doing devops.
Devops is practiced by everyone. If there are people asking the same questions over and over there is a feedback loop / education / automation problem and THAT is the part that makes a job devops.
I moved into another support role sort of by accident when I really wanted a sysadmin job but didn't have the years of experience needed to get through the door. I found out (again, by accident) that engaging with our customers directly gave me the feedback and sense of accomplishment that I was missing. I now know that it's an essential component for me. I'm much happier having figured that out.
Why are you checking dashboards (pull/polling) instead of building alerting (push), so that you do not need to check dashboards as a matter of routine? If the tickets are dealing with the same problem again and again, why aren't you building a self-service platform to let your users handle these problems by themselves (especially now that LLMs are making this much more trivial to build)?
Author sounds like he had poor technical management who didn't understand DevOps (let alone DevSecOps) and turned it into an operations role.
Everything that the author likes about Solutions Engineering, I get from a DevOps role, from collaborating with other engineers in my company to make them more agile, productive, and take better ownership in production. Too many engineering teams fall into a trap of not being allowed to focus on any non-functional work (gotta ship revenue-generating features!) and LOVE it when someone like me comes along, who doesn't answer to Product, and can help them out on the non-functional side. I get to talk to "customers" as much as I want, in a role where I can just walk up to them and not need to communicate over Zoom or with significant plane travel.
Author should have considered trying to just find a different Platform Engineering role.
The reason it annoys me so much is that it makes it harder to find post-sales technical generalists as the top of the funnel ends up filled with pre-sales people.
Congrats to OP for finding something they like though!
- support engineer
- solutions engineer
- sales engineer
- applied engineer
- forward deployed engineer
- solutions / sales architect
- field engineer
And that's leaving out titles that avoid calling someone an engineer who is still entirely technical, has to code, has to deploy, etc. but deals with clients.
I will say though that roles that want pre-sales focused engineers typically are pretty picky about people who have the sales-facing experience. So it shouldn't be too hard to avoid those roles if you're wanting a role focused almost entirely on post-sales.
(I say that, but I do know that if a company lacks pre-sales dedicated engs then other engs definitely can get roped into it. I know a guy with a PhD in ChemEng that basically is the director of research at his company and has had to wear a "sales eng" hat quite a bit in his role.)
I am post sales, billable staff consultant who leads projects. I’m “delivery”. I focus on one project at a time and dig deep into requirements and the implementation and/or strategy docs.
ProServe consultants (full time employees) are never called SAs
I genuinely throught this was impossible for a very long time. In my SWE roles I’ve mostly felt disconnected and isolated.
I resigned from my last dev job and started working in donut and coffee shops. I loved it.
I’m pursuing Support Engineer roles now hoping it will provide the human focus that was missing prior.
This is a long post, but SEs are underrepresented here despite us being a big part of the sky high valuations that many companies on here have gotten, and it's a job that is still somehow not well known or understood.
I LOVE the travel. As someone whose happy place is seat 20F on a United 738 and a rental EV waiting on the other side, the random travel requests give me so much life. I enjoyed the 4 on, 3 off travel life as a consultant as well, but being asked to fly in for a meeting or two and get time to myself the day before is so much better. In fact, this is probably THE reason why I haven't gone back into the FTE world. Travel budgets for engineers are generally pithy.
I LOVE not having to answer to a Jira backlog. I can (and do) still ship PRs back to product if it makes sense for the customers I'm supporting, but my performance comp isn't tied to that. Interestingly enough, we are also not forced to use AI when coding for the same reason (though using it to understand what our customers are being increasingly asked to use is important, so I do sometimes).
Speaking of comp, I LOVE how transparent our comp packages are. The base salary is usually competitive with a high Senior/low Staff SWE, but unlike these roles, we don't get very many RSUs. What we do get is commission. The more we sell, the more we make. No black box bonus pool allocation nonsense. Some SEs can take in Staff+ total comp some years if they and their AE close a whale of a deal because of this. What's better about comp as an SE is that it's usually not regional. This makes the position super lucrative for engineers in LCOL/MCOL cities who don't mind getting on a plane every so often.
We also get a lot of time and space to tinker with the products we're selling when we're not out in the field (since we usually have to know them front to back; it's not uncommon for SEs to know more about a product than engineering or even Product). Most good SE managers will absolutely support you blocking off time to build, which is awesome!
Interviews are also WAY more than chill than those for SWE. No LC grinds. The hardest part is usually the tech panel (which is easy if you're good at presenting and explaining technical things in an accessible way).
So now onto the not so fun parts.
You are usually tied to a non-technical account executive (salesperson). The nature of that role attracts lots of...interesting people. Your entire existence as an SE hinges on how well you get along with your AE. A great relationship makes SE the best job in the world. Anything else makes it somewhere between a slog and hell on earth.
This is also a sales job at the end of the day. There's lots of talking and socializing involved. Not nearly as much as an AE, but doing happy hours and dinners sometimes comes with the job. As a massive introvert who often wants nothing more than to read Hacker News over a nice beer in sweet solitude at the end of an intense workday, you can probably imagine how draining these events can be.
Then there are the demos and POCs: the bread and butter of the role. Depending on where you are, you might be giving the same demo handfuls of times per day. These can be made more fun by working in investigative questions about the customer you're presenting to to learn more about them and why they need what you're selling (also called "discovery"), but some AEs won't give you that space. Feeling like your job is replaceable isn't great (even though it's not replaceable at all!)
There also isn't much upward mobility in this vertical. You can go a lot of places OUTSIDE the SE track given the cross-cutting nature of the job (Product, CTO, AE, and even back into engineering are common paths), but scope as an SE is narrower than the SWE path, as, again, its a sales job. (That said, getting into the Principal SE track usually involves talking at big shows and brand building like writing books, skills that are very useful if you want a heavy hitting job elsewhere or want to be the kind of person that gets paid to keynote conferences).
Many of the thought leaders in the SE space are technical but have lost their edge. Many of them are closer to sales than engineering. Some literally sell their presales methodologies and don't do technical stuff anymore. Great if you want to move away from that career; less so if you don't. More engineering-biased people might feel out of place initially.
Skill atrophy is also very real, counter to OPs observations. You can get away with minimal learning once you know what you're doing and have your demos locked in. It takes a while to get to this point, but once you're there, you can give a demo point blank a any time and are familiar enough with your product to lead a POC start to finish without blinking. This combined with not having time to "deep" learn due to meetings, demos and POCs can lead to skills slipping away.
Finally, that time to tinker can be hard to get if you're in a patch of heavy sales activity. This is felt the hardest when you join a new org and are sent into the field straightaway. This is often why so many SEs are usually former consultants of that product or ex-customers: shorter ramp-up time.
All in all, it's a
I do a ton of different things every day and have been for the last ~10 years, all in the neighborhood of DevOps'ish type of tasks. I've written about 120+ of those tasks at https://nickjanetakis.com/blog/120-skills-i-use-in-an-sre-pl.... I do agree, it is fun to mix it up in your day to day (IMO).
This is very, very wrong. Why do you think that?
It requires a more holistic, generalist view, and a degree of customer understanding, empathy, management and conversational skills well beyond typical devops.
If you don't know the answer, you can ask one of the "real" engineers.
As long as you show up with a smile on your face and the demo kinda works during the call, you're 10/10.
At FAANG companies, you generally get paid at a level above your technical role; for example, if you have a mid-level engineer's coding ability but can also talk to customers, you'll generally be paid a senior engineer's salary.
Some days, I don't understand why everyone doesn't want this job. But then I'll talk to the product engineers on my team, and they'll thank me for talking to the customers so they can focus on coding. I think it's really a personality/preference thing.
Being a solutions engineer at the right companies means you get to be one of the few people with full end-to-end visibility of the entire lifecycle of both a client and the technology adoption, deployment, optimization, maintenance, etc. process. And you'll get to see it dozens or hundreds of times for a variety of clients across industries. Again though, totally depends on the company.
Too many alarms or alarms at unsocial hours? The engineering team should feel that pain.
Too hard to push? The engineering team should feel that pain.
Strange hard to diagnose alarms? Yep, the engineering team should feel that pain!
The feedback is very important to keeping the opex costs under control.
However, I think the author and I have different opinions on what DevOps is. DevOps isn't a full time role. It's what the engineer does to get their software into production.
I see a difference between a more definite operations team (SRE) vs an engineering team having responsibility for how their service works in production (DevOps).
DevOps is something that all teams should be doing - there's no point in writing code that spends it's life generating problems for customers or other teams, and having the problems arrive at the owners results in them being properly prioritized.
In smaller orgs, DevOps and SRE might be together, but it should still be a rotation instead of a fulltime role, and everyone should be doing it.
Engineers who don't do devops write code that looks like:
Where the one who does do devops writes code that avoids the error condition entirely (usually possible), or decides what the code should do in that situation (not log).IDK I've been called everything from: SysOp, SysAdmin, Network Engineer, Systems Architect, Solutions Engineer, Sales Engineer, Platform Engineer, etc. Half of those at different companies are just "DevOps" depending on the org.
Having separate teams makes it adversarial because both orgs end up reporting into separate hierarchies with independent goals.
Think about the metrics each team is measured on. Who resolves conflicts between them? How high up the org chart is it necessary to go to resolve the conflict? Can one team make different tradeoffs on code quality vs speed from another, or is it company-wide?
What’s the difference between a “DevOps team” in 2026 than “operations” in 2001?
Great if billing by the hour, and mostly unsustainable for products =3