The set of toys I spent the most time playing with was a big bag of wooden blocks my grandfather gave me when I was very small. They are well designed, with a good selection of different shapes, e.g. it has cylinders and arches and thin planks as well as cuboids. They got a lot of use because they're so flexible in combining with other toys, e.g. you can build roads and garages for toy cars, or obstacle courses for rolling marbles. The edges and corners are rounded and the wood tough enough that clean-up was just dropping them back into the bag.
I've since given them to a nephew and I'm happy to see he gets just as much entertainment out of them as I did. Plain wooden blocks can represent almost anything. There are no batteries or moving parts to fail. Mine got a little bit of surface wear but they still work just as well as they did when they were new and small children don't care about perfect appearance. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up getting passed down to another generation and continue to provide the same entertainment. I highly recommend this kind of simple toy for young children.
andyjohnson0 6 hours ago [-]
> I highly recommend this kind of simple toy for young children.
As a parent I very much agree. And for grown-up children too.
On my desk I have a small tin containing small wooden blocks and planks, arches, etc. I get lots of play value from them - when my thinking is blocked, or if I just want to fool around and not think at all. I'm in my mid fifties.
And over at my climbing club's off-grid climbing hut we have a big box of over-sized, home made jenga blocks. Pretty-much everyone plays with them: not only jenga, but also just building structures or giant domino runs or whatever.
We all need to play sometimes.
kleinishere 6 hours ago [-]
Encountered these miniature wood marble runs in Switzerland. Still on my “wish list.” Sounds like you may enjoy them, too.
As an aside, there's an app out there is an app for the iPad called "Cuboro Riddles" which is a "how do you make the marble go from here to there using the blocks." Given that there are multiple ways that a block can channel a marble, this is a tricky one.
... and then if you get this over into the lego domain (not as "just something to fiddle with..." it gets you into the GBC. There is a standard for how one connects to another described at https://www.greatballcontraption.com/wiki/standard ... and then at lego conventions people hook them all up. https://youtu.be/avyh-36jEqA
gdhkgdhkvff 3 hours ago [-]
Sticking to the magnetile theme of the OP, my kids and I have spent the most time and most occasions playing with the mangetile marble run kits. It works so well.
andyjohnson0 41 minutes ago [-]
Thank you.
rawgabbit 5 hours ago [-]
Very cool. I live in the US though. How can I order it?
jjulius 4 hours ago [-]
Looks like their site links to a good number of US stores that sell them, many mom/pop. While there may not be a store close enough to you, perhaps there's one that would ship to you.
As an adult, I bought on impulse a set of wooden dominos intended for domino runs. It included a few other props. It was on clearance for almost nothing because the box was damaged.
With friends and family on occasion (individuals ranging in age from 27-70) , multiple hours have passed setting up and playing with this domino set.
I really believe that play is vitally important at all ages.
vunderba 7 hours ago [-]
Same. We had a kids’ play table (low to the ground and rectangular) that we’d prop up with a few blocks under one end to give it a slight incline. We’d spend hours covering the surface with blocks in different positions to simulate a pinball table.
Then we’d take a large marble and use two long triangular blocks as flippers to “play” on it.
Tilting was NOT advised.
gattr 6 hours ago [-]
I had such blocks as well. For a recent take on this, I can recommend Kapla, typically come in a large (a couple 100s) box of skinny rectangular cuboids. I had fun doing, ahem, preliminary testing, before gifting them to my niece.
marcinignac 4 hours ago [-]
I got set for my son after noticing he loves stacking Jenga blocks and generic Kapla gets 10x more usage than Lego.
Can it be that the moment Lego moved from mostly bricks to custom single use shapes for every kit the joy of combining them died? My kids build car, Dino, Harry Potter set once and then gather dust. Bridges, castles, towers and roads from Kapla get rebuild every day.
nuancebydefault 4 hours ago [-]
When I was young there were fewer types of shapes but a lot of new sets contained a lot of such specialized shapes. I rather played with the lego i found in the attic.
itishappy 8 hours ago [-]
100% agree. Box of blocks cannot be beat. My sister and I used the hell out of ours: we built towers, cantilevers, mazes, Rube Goldberg devices, houses for rodents, vehicles, elaborate locks, catapults, you name it. They're still in the same condition as day 1, ready for our children.
Bonus: You can roll a lot more down those long rubber racetracks than just cars.
At one point way back then, my dad made something in the workshop that improved them tremendously: Wooden boards.
These were small, thin, very flat boards of oak -- about 3/16" thick and 3/4" wide. Their lengths varied in 2" increments, and the length of each board was written on it.
With boards added in, the blocks got a lot more interesting. Fastening was still limited to gravity, but things like cantilevers started happening.
yial 3 hours ago [-]
I have a love of wooden blocks.
I’ve seen some sets that are blocks with random flat surfaces but still balanced.
However, I notice that many antique block sets seem far superior to newer sets.
(I’m sure someone must make an amazing new set, I see some suggestions in the comments).
Having made some wooden block sets from scratch, what I am always amazed about with a good set is balance / size of pieces, coupled with variety and quantity. The balance being a vitally important part that seems to be overlooked in “bad” sets.
MrBuddyCasino 6 hours ago [-]
Plus, wooden blocks look a lot nicer than plastic stuff. I try to avoid plastic items because they inevitably ruin a room’s aesthetic.
stocksinsmocks 2 hours ago [-]
I feel like this list says a lot more about what the author wants her kids to be interested in than a real survey of the whole toy market. There are a few stuffed animals that get tons of love, and the magnet blocks were a hit for a couple months but then they got old. This is going to trigger a deluge of unsolicited admonition, but the television and the Nintendo switch have by far the highest entertainment value per dollar spent.
Sammi 32 minutes ago [-]
Dolls, cars, and balls weren't even mentioned...
phantasmish 8 hours ago [-]
Can confirm that Magnatiles, specifically, were maybe the best value for the dollar we ever got out of toys for our kids. Idk if the quality has held up but our kids abused the hell out of the things and it took them years to finally break just a couple of them (the largest ones are the most vulnerable). They have incredible range, good for babies but still seeing use as a supporting toy up to their tweens. Kinda pricey but if the quality is still as good as it was years ago (can’t say, the ~3 sets we bought over a couple years held up so well we never bought any more) they’re easily worth it.
We have tons of Lego too but these were far better play-value for the dollar. Not even close. Can’t say if the knockoff brands are as good.
(Can’t vouch for any of the rest of these but those giant magnetic tiles look potentially like a much better investment than dedicated e.g. kitchen playsets, way more versatile)
rsync 5 hours ago [-]
We just aged out of this as our youngest child is now 11, but I can affirm that magnatiles are fantastic and fun - and that is coming from someone who lionizes legos and considers them the ne plus ultra of toys for children.
That being said ...
We got a lot of mileage - many good years of use from male and female children - out of "Snap Circuits":
A very, very cool building ecosystem with easy to build and understand recipes - we built a working FM radio, for instance. Not at all fussy or fragile.
My children are not particularly "STEMy" but they all enjoyed breaking out the "circuit kit".
Macha 3 hours ago [-]
I can confirm as someone that had these or a very similar kit as a kid that they were enjoyable and the knowledge proved useful when I started working with real circuits in high school and college.
Aurornis 5 hours ago [-]
> Idk if the quality has held up
I can vouch for the quality of modern magnatiles
The problem now is that there are a zillion knock-offs sold everywhere, both retail shops and online. We don’t buy them, but the kids get them as gifts. They all have something different, from the magnet positioning to the outer dimensions, presumably to try to dodge some patents. These become the weak point in bigger builds or throw off the dimensions in ways that add up and cause early collapse.
I’ve been quietly removing the gifted knock offs and replacing them with real ones because it makes the experience less frustrating.
We’re starting to have the same problem with LEGO now
sokoloff 8 hours ago [-]
This was the first toy I expected to see on the list. Can agree that, though they are somewhat expensive, our kids played with them frequently for the better part of a decade and then we passed them along to cousins who completed the decade of play and then some.
We got some fabric bins to store them in, which made cleanup a 2 minute affair if adults helped or 5 minutes if the kids did it alone.
Highly recommend.
jakeydus 3 hours ago [-]
I never thought of playing make believe as just being the dm for kids but that’s really fun.
7thaccount 5 hours ago [-]
Magnatiles are great for adults who want to play with their kids too.
The most fun my kid had was playing make believe games with me. Like I'd say "you're lost in a forest and you see a cabin up ahead and a trail that goes past it. What do you do"? And we'd go from there. Zero dollar cost and unlimited hours of fun until they grow up enough and don't want to play anymore.
sanj 6 hours ago [-]
Can I suggest putting a strand of Christmas lights inside the completed structure? They get a little diffused and look really cool.
For bonus points, get pics of your kids' faces lit by only that light.
Boom: next year's card.
yread 7 hours ago [-]
I would be worried that they break, the magnets fall out and the kids stick it in some orifice
modeless 6 hours ago [-]
I think this is worth worrying about, especially with knockoff magnatiles. The magnets are small enough to swallow. If a child swallows two they could die, for the same reason that "buckyball" magnet toys were banned: the magnets can snap together with intestinal tissue in between and perforate the intestinal wall.
dcre 6 hours ago [-]
The brand-name ones are surprisingly durable. Can’t speak to the cheaper knockoffs.
Symbiote 26 minutes ago [-]
The EU's safety rules for children's toys are impressive -- I read them out of curiosity when I was 3D printing a toy.
e.g. dropping a 1kg steel block onto the toy, and checking it doesn't break in an unsafe way (section 8.7 in the link).
We have bought a bunch of them secondhand. They arrive already scratched up, but who cares.
showerst 7 hours ago [-]
FWIW I bought some 2 years ago and the quality is still very high.
geerlingguy 7 hours ago [-]
For a younger kid, a ball is often a good option.
This Christmas, after putting aside the push car, some books, and a few other little toys from the grandparents, my 1 year old has spent the past 30 minutes chasing a large beach ball one of his siblings brought up from the basement.
I can second the recommendation for magnet tiles, though; everyone in the family seems to enjoy the satisfaction of them clicking together, and finding new ways to build random stuff. The toddler just makes stacks of magnet tiles, which is fine for his development. The 8-12 year olds enjoy building relatively complex structures. Then watching the 1 year old act like Godzilla an destroy it.
kankerlijer 6 hours ago [-]
For all the toys my kids received until they hit 3+, they probably got the most enjoyment out of cardboard boxes.
thechao 7 hours ago [-]
Blocks is the top comment (for me); and yours is number two. Timeless classic. Another one could be plasticine clay. These toys afford play, they don't direct, restrict, or guide play. Other good toys like this: box, stick, the woods, paper (especially a big roll of butcher paper), and things to draw with (I find a black, red, blue, yellow and green sufficient).
7402 7 hours ago [-]
I recently needed to make a mockup of something, so I got some plasticine from Amazon, since I remembered playing with the stuff when I was a kid. However what I received was quite stiff and left an unpleasant oily smell on my hands that I had to scrub off with a lot of effort. Is there a particular brand of plasticine that you have had a good experience with?
oblio 4 hours ago [-]
Why not Playdoh?
fwipsy 5 hours ago [-]
There were only two toys I never got tired of -- legos, and computers. Both encourage open-ended creativity. (I had older lego house sets which were quite flexible. Modern lego pieces seem more specialized.) Unfortunately, so many pieces took several minutes to clean up, so I would just leave them spread out across my bedroom floor for months at a time. These days when I want to play with legos I put a bedsheet down first.
Also, I read another article from the author and subscribed just based on how concisely she expresses her ideas. She just gets her point across, then quits. I love it.
mvid 8 hours ago [-]
As an uncle, is there an opposite version of this list?
hi_hi 12 minutes ago [-]
A cooking kit.
Usually cake baking of some kind. The kids will get bored after the initial mess making part, but will be expecting a yummy treat at the end, so the parent has to see the whole thing through, _and_ clean up the mess.
For an added bonus, the kid then eats the sugary treat, and they have that to deal with.
So true! Requires a prescription for anxiety after playing and stepping on a piece is beyond lego level pain. Thanks for scarring my otherwise happy Christmas day :D
makeitdouble 7 hours ago [-]
Pokemon cards.
Even kids who can't read yet will somewhat play with them outside of the rules. Except they're fragile, easy to lose, will bring fights and other troubles as they grow up, and cost a ton more money if they really get hooked.
mft_ 7 hours ago [-]
If in doubt, buy a musical instrument.
Or paint. Or glitter.
bhaak 5 hours ago [-]
Kinectic sand is the modern subtle version of glitter.
paulryanrogers 7 hours ago [-]
Warning: once glitter enters your home it will never leave. You may have to move.
doubled112 5 hours ago [-]
Some glitter comes anyway. My wife figure skated. It's been years, more than a decade, and several moves. Still find it from time to time.
rjsw 7 hours ago [-]
If you don't like your siblings, how about a drum kit?
petesergeant 5 hours ago [-]
that dispenses Thai energy drinks
jerkstate 6 hours ago [-]
Anything that makes noise; squeaky toys, fart sound generators, lazer guns, etc
mcphage 6 hours ago [-]
Don’t forget noisy. Have you considered an Otamatone?
pavel_lishin 6 hours ago [-]
The ideal "fuck you, parents" present must be noisy, and yet must require no batteries. Drums & cymbals are a good choice, as is a vuvuzela or an Aztec death whistle.
bigstrat2003 5 hours ago [-]
A vuvuzela is mean. I'm not even related to you (I think), and I want to disown you for that suggestion.
bdangubic 6 hours ago [-]
the absolute best fuck you present is no present at all, there is nothing parents like more than kids that have nothing to do
tasuki 6 hours ago [-]
As a parent: no. We have way more toys than necessary, and yet keep getting more from all sides. All the parents I know have the same situation.
pavel_lishin 5 hours ago [-]
There are five stuffed tigers on the floor of our living room right now, liberated from their packages.
There are 37 more in the child's bedroom.
bdangubic 4 hours ago [-]
I am 51 and have never (nor will ever) buy a toy for a human - pets only
losvedir 24 minutes ago [-]
Are you saying you only give pets as gifts?
pavel_lishin 3 hours ago [-]
Do you want to expand on that?
bdangubic 3 hours ago [-]
for kids, only money for college/investment fund. nothing else, ever
oblio 4 hours ago [-]
I'm confused. Are you bragging that you never gifted a toy in 51 years?
bdangubic 3 hours ago [-]
aha, I am. and everyone should strive to be like me
oblio 1 hours ago [-]
I guess on what you define as a toy. Is a Lego Technics set a toy? Is a model plane that requires assembly a toy? Is a drone a toy?
Also... if you ever meet a family with a baby or a toddler, I guess you'd gift them clothes?
cosmicgadget 4 hours ago [-]
Any sort of goo or slime.
analog31 1 hours ago [-]
Something I'm wondering. My kids are grown now. When they were little, we got a toy with connecting magnetic pieces, don't remember the name. The magnets broke out of the brittle plastic easily and it was actually a pretty low quality toy although the concept was cool.
There was also some kind of recall or warning about the possibility of kids ingesting the magnets. That's about all I remember. Of course you never know as a parent whether the latest safety threat is serious or over-hyped. The claimed threat was that the magnets would click together in your intestines and wreak havoc.
I wonder what the present conventional wisdom is on those magnets.
The_President 53 minutes ago [-]
The way it used to be, is if they come back with fasteners and nails attached after playing in the grass it's worth mentioning to the pediatrician on the next visit.
pverheggen 3 hours ago [-]
The toy with the most longevity from my childhood were those cardboard bricks. Could be used for anything from forts, towers, hamster mazes, throwable weapons...
Not the quickest toy to clean up, but still fun since it's a building activity of its own, stacking them against a wall or something.
Waterluvian 8 hours ago [-]
> The worst toy is one with many pieces that my kids dump on the ground and then play with for only 2 minutes.
One of my favourite toys was Mouse Trap. I never once actually played the game. Building it and setting it off once or twice was plenty.
I agree with some of the sentiment of this blog but I also think it’s discarding a perfectly valid side to toys and play.
vunderba 7 hours ago [-]
Trivial Pursuit was like this too. Our family would chill in the den just randomly asking each other questions from the cards. I'm not sure we ever actually played it using the board game part.
stouset 8 hours ago [-]
I think so many 90s kids had this same experience. The Rube Goldberg trap was so much fun to build and play with, nobody bothered to even try and learn the game itself!
M95D 1 hours ago [-]
I was expecting to see a tablet/phone in the top place: repeatability = 5, length of play = 5, clean up ease = 5.
I know it's bad to give a kid a tablet, but the scoring used in the article is that bad it didn't award any points for how good it is for a child...
joannabregan 1 hours ago [-]
Yeah, my husband told me after I published that I missed the iPad as as the clear #1.
somat 3 hours ago [-]
I vote the cardboard box, especially if it is a large appliance box, Unfortunately you can't really give someone a large cardboard box, but oh boy are they fun.
rolisz 2 hours ago [-]
I can't convince my wife to let my kids keep the big cardboard box, even though they love it!
joannabregan 1 hours ago [-]
Cardboard box is a good one.
mjlee 8 hours ago [-]
Magna tiles are my favourite of my kid’s toys.
Bonus adult points - how do they work? How is it the tiles always stick to each other no matter the orientation? Easy once you know, but it took me (and friends with physics degrees) a little thinking to get.
mingus88 8 hours ago [-]
Also, did you see the huge tiles? Wow! I had no idea but my kids would love building forts and rooms
mjlee 7 hours ago [-]
I know! I definitely need those. For the kids, of course.
jstummbillig 5 hours ago [-]
Right
cnees 6 hours ago [-]
I can't recommend enough ordering a $10 collapsible ball pen. My son understood even at age 2 that some toys needed to be played with in his play pen, and it means I can let him play with toys with hundreds of pieces and then scoop them all up at once.
Tade0 7 hours ago [-]
> Maybe I feel the satisfaction of clicking them together as I clean them up. Cleaning becomes a little like playing.
My preschooler daughter got Magna Tiles for Christmas and she's cleaning them up herself, which is a first for her.
I'm surprised the Minecraft blocks feel less strong - Magna Tiles seem to be using standard AlNiCo magnets and I expected, given the price, that the Minecraft ones would be using neodymium magnets, but apparently they're not and this weakness comes from magnets being only at the corners.
bombcar 5 hours ago [-]
The Minecraft blocks have some strength but not much so you can easily take them apart. But they are very sharp. Way worse than Lego to step on.
SV_BubbleTime 3 hours ago [-]
This should be a graded metric.
mttch 3 hours ago [-]
After my daughter turned 4, the ‘toy’ with the most play time and lowest clean up time was a good pad of blank paper and colouring pencils. The bonus is that it takes up little room and is therefore highly portable. Furthermore, if you forget it, you can replace it easily and cheaply!
rolisz 2 hours ago [-]
Ehrm, I beg to differ. My 4 year old daughter has recently also started loving to draw. But, she pretty much refuses to let go of her masterpieces, at least we conviced her to store them in a shoebox, so they're not spread all over the house. And the pencils... Well, I've been picking up an awful lot of pencils from all over the house.
So I'm not sure I agree with the "lowest clean up time", even though I'm really glad she's picked this up as a "hobby".
konart 3 hours ago [-]
> I score my toys across 3 dimensions
What about kid’s development? The whole point (okay, not while but the biggest) of a game is learning something.
analog31 57 minutes ago [-]
First time parent? Just kidding.
My experience as a parent, and the conventional wisdom of parents I've known, including my own, is that there's no predicting the influence of a given toy on a kid's development[0]. My hunch is that toys are better if they give the kid more agency to make up their own play and games without supervision, and many of the toys mentioned in the article are of that ilk. That could be because I still like toys, to this day, with that kind of built-in agency.
Also, growing up in a emotionally stable family culture that values curiosity and learning is probably a huge deal.
[0] Excluding cellphones and the Internet, which are their own discussion of course.
sallveburrpi 7 hours ago [-]
As a former child my favourites were Playmobile, Lego, Duplo, wooden blocks and those little matchbox cars.
For cleaning we just dumped everything into a big box.
Repeatability is endless
tirant 4 hours ago [-]
I also loved Playmobil. But they were so much better in the 80s, early 90s, when all the figures were exactly the same, except by the colors, so it meant they were all flexible to be dressed up as anything you wanted.
Nowadays each playmobil doll is extremely personalized which removes the flexibility to dress them as anything and limits the imagination and originality. Such a pity. No wonder Playmobil almost went bankrupt recently.
xg15 3 hours ago [-]
A phone would get perfect score in all of OP's metrics, so I feel there is some stuff missing to identify really good toys.
chhxdjsj 4 hours ago [-]
Has anyone had experienced with the giant magnet tiles? This article seems like suspicious affiliate marketing which places are beloved product that everybody has beside one that looks kind of similar.
joannabregan 60 minutes ago [-]
Author here, I don't think I did affiliate market links.
SV_BubbleTime 3 hours ago [-]
First I’m seeing them, but that means very little. Every preschool we used had the normal magnet tiles though so I’m familiar with the concept.
Fair to question this. Most things are fake and… lame.
NiloCK 5 hours ago [-]
Another overlooked characteristic of a toy, especially a toy that takes up space, is "doneness".
Lots of free-play toys that my own kids use (4 and 7) can unconditionally be defended as still in use. They haven't been touched in an hour, but an ask to put it away is met with "I'm still playing with that". So: nothing gets put away until a parent pulls authority and overrules the kid's declaration that the game is still going. Understandably, the kids find this unfair and sort of demeaning.
A board game is different in so far as it has an ending. The kids never try to weasel out of putting Hungy Hungry Hippo or chess pieces or whatever back into a box.
didgeoridoo 1 hours ago [-]
can confirm. we just got the kids those giant magna-tiles. they’ve played with nothing else today.
jnwatson 7 hours ago [-]
The best toy my sister and I got is a now long-discontinued product called Omagles. They were brightly colored tubes and panels you connected with plastic clips. They were strong enough to stand and climb on. They even had wheels we could make vehicles out of.
They were so good I bought a used one for my own kid who had a great time with them.
After some Googling, I see that the rights to Omagles were bought and are now sold under the brand Tubelox.
Cerium 5 hours ago [-]
There is also Quadro Toys. I have a couple of the large sets and have built a series of houses, climbing toys, and now a "castle" with a slide for my daughter.
evmar 7 hours ago [-]
Exact same for me! Just ten minutes ago my son opened his Xmas present, his first box of TubeLox. My expectations and hopes are high but he is currently distracted by the flashier presents.
r0m4n0 8 hours ago [-]
This year the family favorite everyone was fighting to play including the adults was the new litebrite touch https://amzn.to/3MROaJs
Really satisfying to click the buttons and see the super bright lights as a young kid. The games like mirror were easy yet technical which had us all competing for high scores. Definitely well thought out
Everyone appreciated it didn’t involve cleanup of any little plastic pieces like the original litebright
derwiki 7 hours ago [-]
Also makes it usable for a smaller child! Great rec, thank you
jerkstate 6 hours ago [-]
We have some magnet tiles that have tubes and ramps for building marble mazes with - they are probably the most popular toy in the house. The thing about magnet tiles is there are several brands but they’re incompatible so it’s best to buy multiple sets from a single brand.
gervwyk 4 hours ago [-]
I’m surprised no
one mentions Knex. By far my childhood favorite, and for me, far more creative opportunity when comparing to something like lego.
fidrelity 4 hours ago [-]
When I read the title the first thing that came to my mind were Magna Tiles. Glad they made it on the list.
It's the only toy in the house that lasted the test of time from she 4-8 (and counting). Also I love tidying up Magna tiles, even that is fun!
My oldest kid got a small sample of Clixco and was surprisingly entertained even with a limited set of possibilities they offered. They're great fidget toys as well.
SV_BubbleTime 3 hours ago [-]
I annoy my wife by sorting magnet tiles away color type AND color. I do it as fast as possible with mock sorting algorithms. She shoves them back into the box.
galkk 4 hours ago [-]
Your mileage may vary…
As soon as I got first Minecraft block to my 5yo, the magnatiles were almost forgotten. And she never played Minecraft in her life, but saw the movie and some YouTube vids. The fact that the tiles have an image and purpose is a huge benefit, because she creates better stories with them.
But I got it only after i got kiddo to cleanup her toys from the floor regularly.
tsoukase 8 hours ago [-]
For small(ish) kids there is a certain correlation between play- and clean-up-time. If there was a toy which deviated, it would become blockbuster and there are hardly any such. Electronic screens are popular as nannies because of this.
Personally I choose all types in rotation. One toy of high duration is Play-Doh but afterwards needs a cleaning machine.
avereveard 7 hours ago [-]
Electronics are popualar also because there's a higher proportion of only child and parents have only so much time to dedicate to child play
tsoukase 4 hours ago [-]
True, not only for single child but for many with different sex, large age difference or simply careless parents.
zamadatix 7 hours ago [-]
Am I not loading all of this article? It basically stops for me after saying "magnet toys top the list" with 3 examples of such (well, really 2) for me, with no real investigation into other toys or exploration of why the variants like the Minecraft magnet toy scored much worse in cleanup (I assume it's due to the piece size?). Anything about toys other than magnet blocks?
Another type of toy I've seen fit this bill has been wooden/plastic train tracks (the solid larger pieces type, not flimsy model type, and simple sturdy trains to go on them). It still has the element of customization and playing with what you build but cleanup is "scoop the large pieces into a bucket" (and stepping on them usually isn't painful!)
honeycrispy 7 hours ago [-]
They're a parent. They probably don't have enough time to write a comprehensive article if this article isn't paying the bills.
zamadatix 7 hours ago [-]
The confusion was less on the author and more on the submission reaching the top of the front page - it wouldn't have been the first time the issue was my ad blocker or something. Thanks for confirming!
derwiki 7 hours ago [-]
Parents looking for a quick break on Christmas morning
crowbahr 7 hours ago [-]
Minecraft: weak magnets
mettamage 5 hours ago [-]
To me, game consoles were toys. Maybe they are a lot more now but the SNES and N64 felt like toys. The pc felt like a toy too.
I am very likely to be a father in the future. I am happy I have all my old consoles because it helps a bit with introducing kids to technology without them having access to all of it.
Soccer outside was fun too, there was a field nearby our house.
SV_BubbleTime 3 hours ago [-]
Ah. So they are federated with minimal compatibility issues. There may be a lesson here.
dotancohen 9 hours ago [-]
It looks like the author examined every toy inspired by Lego, other than Lego itself.
For me the big problem with Lego was not clean up time. For me the big problem with Lego was stepping on them barefoot. How do these other toys compare?
phantasmish 8 hours ago [-]
Big problem with modern LEGO for me is that so many modern sets are almost all teensy-tiny pieces, so they look good on the box—the adult-aimed ones have always been like this since they started targeting that market, but now it’s like 95% of all their sets; also, they seem to hate exposed nubs, which is silly if the set is for play.
Larger (like tall 6x2) bricks are uncommon outside buckets, and a lot of larger pieces like dedicated wall-sections or big vehicle nose-bits or car undercarriages are now rare.
The result is that my old sets are a mix of everything from large contoured structural plates down to tiny pieces, but my kids’ bins of legos are like 98% tiny pieces. They use them less than I did, I think because it’s hard to sort through the loose pieces when they’re mostly very small, and with less variety there aren’t as many large pieces to use as jumping-off points to start a build, and making, say, a house-height wall or the front of a space ship is slower than when we had more bricks that could kinda short-hand those pieces and let you skip the middle, if you will, to focus on both the big-picture and fine details. I doubt I’d have liked Lego so much if mine had looked like theirs.
jerkstate 6 hours ago [-]
Unfortunately, LEGO has decided that they want to make mostly high-margin co-branded sets with Nintendo, Pokémon, Minecraft, Star Wars, Monster Jam, F1, etc rather than cool engineering sets with a lot of flexible pieces that can be built into lots of different things. Luckily Chinese vendors like Uncle Brick and Mould King have stepped in to offer huge sets of Technics compatible parts, including simple motors that LEGO simply does not make anymore, for not much money. It’s really too bad that Lego abandoned that market. I would certainly pay a premium for the original stuff but a lot of what I would like is just not available. Now, I still buy a lot of the branded LEGO stuff, but the Chinese stuff has also entered the rotation for the older kids who are interested in engineering.
abanana 5 hours ago [-]
In the late 1990s, Lego went the other way with those big single-purpose pieces, and were heavily criticised (particularly by older Lego fans) for "juniorisation" - over-simplifying sets so you just couldn't build anything different with the pieces. You can't build buildings out of big vehicle parts.
Sounds like it's gone too far the other way now and they're still not managing to find a middle ground? But it does depend partly on what age of kids we're talking about.
johanvts 8 hours ago [-]
Buy the ‘classic’ line, the big boxes are great value also.
phantasmish 8 hours ago [-]
Yeah, I’ve noticed the classic line showing up on shelves and they seem a ton better, but I don’t recall seeing them several years ago when we were doing lots of Lego-buying. Really limited selection and mostly big, expensive sets too, not many mid-sized ones. But glad to see them releasing sets that seem more focused on play than sitting on a shelf.
thenoblesunfish 8 hours ago [-]
This article is aimed at younger kids, before normal Lego is appropriate. I like Duplo more than magnatiles - slightly harder to clean up I suppose, but that's because they hold together better than magnatiles, which create quite fragile structures.
veryfancy 8 hours ago [-]
Our problem with modern lego is that the sets are so cool and complex that the kids don’t want to take them apart after they’re built.
The 11yo wants few new sets now because he doesn’t know where he would put them, and declines to swap out his assembled sets.
zem 3 hours ago [-]
when I was a kid I wanted some of the specialised sets simply because they had exciting new pieces like windshields, gears, dish antennas, etc. I don't think I ever made the actual thing the set was intended for, I just wanted to add new pieces to my lego bin.
bigstrat2003 5 hours ago [-]
That's something I've run into myself. I just recently finished the Enterprise Lego set, and it was fun to build... but I doubt if I will ever take it apart and rebuild it. There were 30 bags in that set, and I don't much fancy the prospect of trying to sift through all the pieces at once rebuilding the thing.
dotancohen 4 hours ago [-]
Finish a set? Lego Enterprise? Don't want to build anything else with it?
I see that the Lego I remember and the Lego of today are two vastly different things.
crowbahr 7 hours ago [-]
You can get brick sets that are just a bunch of bricks - look up Creative Brick Box or Creative Vehicle Box
Feels just like Grandma's ole box o bricks
makeitdouble 8 hours ago [-]
We didn't see any of the toys in the article , but had a lot of other magnetic and combinable toys. The big advantage over Lego was building sizeable things with fewer blocks.
Duplo blocs come close, but they are pricey (hard to gift second hand toys) and you can only stack them when the other toys interlock in more interesting ways. For small kids, building an articulating shape the size of their arm with 4 or 5 blocs is really magical.
bombcar 5 hours ago [-]
Those Minecraft blocks or the cheap Chinese knockoffs are sharper than a blade and a real pain.
speedgoose 8 hours ago [-]
Skill issue. You should try to not step on Lego bricks.
dotancohen 4 hours ago [-]
Yes, and I've perfected that skill against sidewalk cracks, ants, and bubble gum for quite some time.
sallveburrpi 7 hours ago [-]
You heard of Duplo? It’s like Lego but big.
threethirtytwo 2 hours ago [-]
smartphone. but everyone here is psychologically against this even though it's true.
jstummbillig 5 hours ago [-]
I really wish people would declare ages when talking about kid toys. Anywho, any banger toy recommendation for a 1yo?
evan_ 5 hours ago [-]
These little wooden shaker eggs went over quite well with my 18mo nephew:
He's also enjoying the Mega Bloks someone got him though he's mostly just sticking them together and throwing them.
bombcar 5 hours ago [-]
Literally something to bang, like a toy hammer.
Or take them to a library that has toys, see what they play with, and then go buy that.
ivanjermakov 8 hours ago [-]
Question from a not-parent: why not teach kids to clean up for themselves?
makeitdouble 8 hours ago [-]
You can teach a 4~5 yo kid to clean up. Below that it probably comes down to personality/level of awareness, and it's probably a lost cause for 2 year olds and below.
Then you'll want an adult to deal with the body fluids and other nasty stuffs.
PS; what I mean by "teach a 4-5 yo kid" is really spending a lot of time with them rehearsing cleaning and drilling it down. It pays dividends, but you'll be spending months and months, if not years, doing the cleaning with them at a slower pace than if you did it just yourself.
cosmicgadget 4 hours ago [-]
Low cleanup time is even more important for kids doing it than grownups.
breve 6 hours ago [-]
I tell my kids to imagine they have the toys they want.
It's good for their development and the clean-up-time can't be beat.
aqme28 6 hours ago [-]
That's what the magnatiles are for. The toy they really want is a rocket ship, so instead we give them a cheap little tool to imagine it with.
jdalgetty 7 hours ago [-]
Magna tiles are easy to clean up in the they stick to each other sense, but I still find them all over the house.
TheCleric 9 hours ago [-]
It would have been helpful if I had seen this BEFORE Christmas. lol
cosmicgadget 4 hours ago [-]
On the bright side, you have 365 days advance notice!
metaketa 4 hours ago [-]
Tiptoi
efnx 6 hours ago [-]
Hot take - Along these lines video games score incredibly well.
Arguably not a “toy”, but it’s interesting to think about.
bobse 5 hours ago [-]
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bmacho 9 hours ago [-]
tl;dr:
- play-time and clean-up-time are 2 dimensions of toys, and you can use these dimensions when you are considering to buy a toy
- author likes magnetic building toys (???)
- amazon ref links to buy those magnetic building toys
happytoexplain 8 hours ago [-]
I'm not following the implication/purpose of this post.
bmacho 8 hours ago [-]
I don't get it? Isn't this how "tl;dr" posts work?
I've read it, I've found it a waste of time, so I gave a warning/summary so people coming after me know what to expect?
Am I doing it wrong?
BeetleB 6 hours ago [-]
It was a short enough post that it didn't really warrant a tl;dr.
Also, sadly these days many people assume such summaries are written by an LLM, and HN users seem to really dislike them.
I've since given them to a nephew and I'm happy to see he gets just as much entertainment out of them as I did. Plain wooden blocks can represent almost anything. There are no batteries or moving parts to fail. Mine got a little bit of surface wear but they still work just as well as they did when they were new and small children don't care about perfect appearance. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up getting passed down to another generation and continue to provide the same entertainment. I highly recommend this kind of simple toy for young children.
As a parent I very much agree. And for grown-up children too.
On my desk I have a small tin containing small wooden blocks and planks, arches, etc. I get lots of play value from them - when my thinking is blocked, or if I just want to fool around and not think at all. I'm in my mid fifties.
And over at my climbing club's off-grid climbing hut we have a big box of over-sized, home made jenga blocks. Pretty-much everyone plays with them: not only jenga, but also just building structures or giant domino runs or whatever.
We all need to play sometimes.
https://cuboro.ch/en/
https://youtu.be/qGsD19P16rs
As an aside, there's an app out there is an app for the iPad called "Cuboro Riddles" which is a "how do you make the marble go from here to there using the blocks." Given that there are multiple ways that a block can channel a marble, this is a tricky one.
... and then if you get this over into the lego domain (not as "just something to fiddle with..." it gets you into the GBC. There is a standard for how one connects to another described at https://www.greatballcontraption.com/wiki/standard ... and then at lego conventions people hook them all up. https://youtu.be/avyh-36jEqA
With friends and family on occasion (individuals ranging in age from 27-70) , multiple hours have passed setting up and playing with this domino set.
I really believe that play is vitally important at all ages.
Then we’d take a large marble and use two long triangular blocks as flippers to “play” on it.
Tilting was NOT advised.
Can it be that the moment Lego moved from mostly bricks to custom single use shapes for every kit the joy of combining them died? My kids build car, Dino, Harry Potter set once and then gather dust. Bridges, castles, towers and roads from Kapla get rebuild every day.
Bonus: You can roll a lot more down those long rubber racetracks than just cars.
Bonus 2: Why did these go away? https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/chubs-baby-wipes-stac...
At one point way back then, my dad made something in the workshop that improved them tremendously: Wooden boards.
These were small, thin, very flat boards of oak -- about 3/16" thick and 3/4" wide. Their lengths varied in 2" increments, and the length of each board was written on it.
With boards added in, the blocks got a lot more interesting. Fastening was still limited to gravity, but things like cantilevers started happening.
I’ve seen some sets that are blocks with random flat surfaces but still balanced.
However, I notice that many antique block sets seem far superior to newer sets.
(I’m sure someone must make an amazing new set, I see some suggestions in the comments).
Having made some wooden block sets from scratch, what I am always amazed about with a good set is balance / size of pieces, coupled with variety and quantity. The balance being a vitally important part that seems to be overlooked in “bad” sets.
We have tons of Lego too but these were far better play-value for the dollar. Not even close. Can’t say if the knockoff brands are as good.
(Can’t vouch for any of the rest of these but those giant magnetic tiles look potentially like a much better investment than dedicated e.g. kitchen playsets, way more versatile)
That being said ...
We got a lot of mileage - many good years of use from male and female children - out of "Snap Circuits":
https://elenco.com/
A very, very cool building ecosystem with easy to build and understand recipes - we built a working FM radio, for instance. Not at all fussy or fragile.
My children are not particularly "STEMy" but they all enjoyed breaking out the "circuit kit".
I can vouch for the quality of modern magnatiles
The problem now is that there are a zillion knock-offs sold everywhere, both retail shops and online. We don’t buy them, but the kids get them as gifts. They all have something different, from the magnet positioning to the outer dimensions, presumably to try to dodge some patents. These become the weak point in bigger builds or throw off the dimensions in ways that add up and cause early collapse.
I’ve been quietly removing the gifted knock offs and replacing them with real ones because it makes the experience less frustrating.
We’re starting to have the same problem with LEGO now
We got some fabric bins to store them in, which made cleanup a 2 minute affair if adults helped or 5 minutes if the kids did it alone.
Highly recommend.
The most fun my kid had was playing make believe games with me. Like I'd say "you're lost in a forest and you see a cabin up ahead and a trail that goes past it. What do you do"? And we'd go from there. Zero dollar cost and unlimited hours of fun until they grow up enough and don't want to play anymore.
For bonus points, get pics of your kids' faces lit by only that light.
Boom: next year's card.
e.g. dropping a 1kg steel block onto the toy, and checking it doesn't break in an unsafe way (section 8.7 in the link).
https://law.resource.org/pub/eu/toys/en.71.1.2014.html#s8.7
Section A.51 is about magnetic construction toys.
This Christmas, after putting aside the push car, some books, and a few other little toys from the grandparents, my 1 year old has spent the past 30 minutes chasing a large beach ball one of his siblings brought up from the basement.
I can second the recommendation for magnet tiles, though; everyone in the family seems to enjoy the satisfaction of them clicking together, and finding new ways to build random stuff. The toddler just makes stacks of magnet tiles, which is fine for his development. The 8-12 year olds enjoy building relatively complex structures. Then watching the 1 year old act like Godzilla an destroy it.
Also, I read another article from the author and subscribed just based on how concisely she expresses her ideas. She just gets her point across, then quits. I love it.
Usually cake baking of some kind. The kids will get bored after the initial mess making part, but will be expecting a yummy treat at the end, so the parent has to see the whole thing through, _and_ clean up the mess.
For an added bonus, the kid then eats the sugary treat, and they have that to deal with.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfection_(board_game)
Even kids who can't read yet will somewhat play with them outside of the rules. Except they're fragile, easy to lose, will bring fights and other troubles as they grow up, and cost a ton more money if they really get hooked.
Or paint. Or glitter.
There are 37 more in the child's bedroom.
Also... if you ever meet a family with a baby or a toddler, I guess you'd gift them clothes?
There was also some kind of recall or warning about the possibility of kids ingesting the magnets. That's about all I remember. Of course you never know as a parent whether the latest safety threat is serious or over-hyped. The claimed threat was that the magnets would click together in your intestines and wreak havoc.
I wonder what the present conventional wisdom is on those magnets.
Not the quickest toy to clean up, but still fun since it's a building activity of its own, stacking them against a wall or something.
One of my favourite toys was Mouse Trap. I never once actually played the game. Building it and setting it off once or twice was plenty.
I agree with some of the sentiment of this blog but I also think it’s discarding a perfectly valid side to toys and play.
I know it's bad to give a kid a tablet, but the scoring used in the article is that bad it didn't award any points for how good it is for a child...
Bonus adult points - how do they work? How is it the tiles always stick to each other no matter the orientation? Easy once you know, but it took me (and friends with physics degrees) a little thinking to get.
My preschooler daughter got Magna Tiles for Christmas and she's cleaning them up herself, which is a first for her.
I'm surprised the Minecraft blocks feel less strong - Magna Tiles seem to be using standard AlNiCo magnets and I expected, given the price, that the Minecraft ones would be using neodymium magnets, but apparently they're not and this weakness comes from magnets being only at the corners.
So I'm not sure I agree with the "lowest clean up time", even though I'm really glad she's picked this up as a "hobby".
What about kid’s development? The whole point (okay, not while but the biggest) of a game is learning something.
My experience as a parent, and the conventional wisdom of parents I've known, including my own, is that there's no predicting the influence of a given toy on a kid's development[0]. My hunch is that toys are better if they give the kid more agency to make up their own play and games without supervision, and many of the toys mentioned in the article are of that ilk. That could be because I still like toys, to this day, with that kind of built-in agency.
Also, growing up in a emotionally stable family culture that values curiosity and learning is probably a huge deal.
[0] Excluding cellphones and the Internet, which are their own discussion of course.
For cleaning we just dumped everything into a big box. Repeatability is endless
Nowadays each playmobil doll is extremely personalized which removes the flexibility to dress them as anything and limits the imagination and originality. Such a pity. No wonder Playmobil almost went bankrupt recently.
Fair to question this. Most things are fake and… lame.
Lots of free-play toys that my own kids use (4 and 7) can unconditionally be defended as still in use. They haven't been touched in an hour, but an ask to put it away is met with "I'm still playing with that". So: nothing gets put away until a parent pulls authority and overrules the kid's declaration that the game is still going. Understandably, the kids find this unfair and sort of demeaning.
A board game is different in so far as it has an ending. The kids never try to weasel out of putting Hungy Hungry Hippo or chess pieces or whatever back into a box.
They were so good I bought a used one for my own kid who had a great time with them.
After some Googling, I see that the rights to Omagles were bought and are now sold under the brand Tubelox.
Really satisfying to click the buttons and see the super bright lights as a young kid. The games like mirror were easy yet technical which had us all competing for high scores. Definitely well thought out
Everyone appreciated it didn’t involve cleanup of any little plastic pieces like the original litebright
It's the only toy in the house that lasted the test of time from she 4-8 (and counting). Also I love tidying up Magna tiles, even that is fun!
My oldest kid got a small sample of Clixco and was surprisingly entertained even with a limited set of possibilities they offered. They're great fidget toys as well.
As soon as I got first Minecraft block to my 5yo, the magnatiles were almost forgotten. And she never played Minecraft in her life, but saw the movie and some YouTube vids. The fact that the tiles have an image and purpose is a huge benefit, because she creates better stories with them.
But I got it only after i got kiddo to cleanup her toys from the floor regularly.
Personally I choose all types in rotation. One toy of high duration is Play-Doh but afterwards needs a cleaning machine.
Another type of toy I've seen fit this bill has been wooden/plastic train tracks (the solid larger pieces type, not flimsy model type, and simple sturdy trains to go on them). It still has the element of customization and playing with what you build but cleanup is "scoop the large pieces into a bucket" (and stepping on them usually isn't painful!)
I am very likely to be a father in the future. I am happy I have all my old consoles because it helps a bit with introducing kids to technology without them having access to all of it.
Soccer outside was fun too, there was a field nearby our house.
For me the big problem with Lego was not clean up time. For me the big problem with Lego was stepping on them barefoot. How do these other toys compare?
Larger (like tall 6x2) bricks are uncommon outside buckets, and a lot of larger pieces like dedicated wall-sections or big vehicle nose-bits or car undercarriages are now rare.
The result is that my old sets are a mix of everything from large contoured structural plates down to tiny pieces, but my kids’ bins of legos are like 98% tiny pieces. They use them less than I did, I think because it’s hard to sort through the loose pieces when they’re mostly very small, and with less variety there aren’t as many large pieces to use as jumping-off points to start a build, and making, say, a house-height wall or the front of a space ship is slower than when we had more bricks that could kinda short-hand those pieces and let you skip the middle, if you will, to focus on both the big-picture and fine details. I doubt I’d have liked Lego so much if mine had looked like theirs.
Sounds like it's gone too far the other way now and they're still not managing to find a middle ground? But it does depend partly on what age of kids we're talking about.
The 11yo wants few new sets now because he doesn’t know where he would put them, and declines to swap out his assembled sets.
I see that the Lego I remember and the Lego of today are two vastly different things.
Feels just like Grandma's ole box o bricks
Duplo blocs come close, but they are pricey (hard to gift second hand toys) and you can only stack them when the other toys interlock in more interesting ways. For small kids, building an articulating shape the size of their arm with 4 or 5 blocs is really magical.
https://www.amazon.com/HABA-Musical-Eggs-Acoustic-Germany/dp...
He's also enjoying the Mega Bloks someone got him though he's mostly just sticking them together and throwing them.
Or take them to a library that has toys, see what they play with, and then go buy that.
Then you'll want an adult to deal with the body fluids and other nasty stuffs.
PS; what I mean by "teach a 4-5 yo kid" is really spending a lot of time with them rehearsing cleaning and drilling it down. It pays dividends, but you'll be spending months and months, if not years, doing the cleaning with them at a slower pace than if you did it just yourself.
It's good for their development and the clean-up-time can't be beat.
Arguably not a “toy”, but it’s interesting to think about.
- play-time and clean-up-time are 2 dimensions of toys, and you can use these dimensions when you are considering to buy a toy
- author likes magnetic building toys (???)
- amazon ref links to buy those magnetic building toys
I've read it, I've found it a waste of time, so I gave a warning/summary so people coming after me know what to expect?
Am I doing it wrong?
Also, sadly these days many people assume such summaries are written by an LLM, and HN users seem to really dislike them.
I found the post informative.